A
Ray
Analysis Interview
conducted by Judi Laws
An Edited Transcription
(Editor's
Note: The following interview
with Mary Ann Casalino was conducted by Judi Laws.
Initially, five questions of a "shotgun" nature are asked to
get some idea of which rays are present in the individual.
Following
that, questions are directed at identifying the rays of the mental, astral,
physical, personality, and soul, in that order.
Laws told those in attendance that when she had finished her inquiries,
they would have an opportunity to ask additional questions of MAC. After the questioning was completed, the audience would,
collectively, attempt to determine MAC's rays.
To
maximise the usefulness of this ray analysis to readers, Laws deleted those
portions of the dialogue which she felt did not contribute to ascertaining
MAC's rays.)
Q:
Mary
Ann, darling, tell us about your favourite colour?
A:
Purple
and red, I think those two summarise it.
Q:
When
you were in school what subject or subjects did you like most?
A:
I
didn't like too many subjects at all but probably religion - I survived a
Catholic education and religion was the main focus -probably some literature -
I was also attracted to poetry.
Q:
Is
there any particular country with which you feel a deep rapport or have an
affinity to - whether
or not you have travelled there - a country that just grabs you and you say
"yes!"?
A:
Yes,
Paris does that.
Q:
On
which of the lower four planes are you most comfortable functioning (physical,
astral, mental,
intuitional) - not where you spend the most time but on which of those are you
most comfortable?
A:
Intuitive.
Q:
Do
you have any idea why you are on the planet?
A:
Yes,
I'm here to serve.
Q:
Serve
anything in particular or just to serve?
A:
To
serve wherever I'm most needed.
Q:
Are
you an analytical person?
A:
No.
Q:
Are
you able to concentrate on mental work if it's noisy- jackhammer
outside-stereo blaring?
A:
I
would have a problem; especially for a long period of time - yes.
Q:
Tell
us how you would go about reading a non-fiction book of your choosing?
A:
I
would open it up and look at the copyright page first - see who published it,
and then I would read the covers - I would probably skim through it fast then
start to read it - page by page.
Q:
Do
you have any trouble with mind racing - you can't turn your head off?
Mind racing - would it keep you up at night?
A:
No.
Q:
Do
people fuss with you about not answering a question directly?
A:
No.
Q:
Do
you usually have four or five books that you are reading at the same time on
different subjects.
A:
Magazines,
yes; books, no.
Q:
Will
you go to a lecture on virtually any subject?
A:
No.
Q:
Are
you a calm, unflappable person?
A:
Absolutely
not!
Q:
Have
you exploded more than once in the last month?
A:
Absolutely.
Q:
Do
you pray or meditate?
A:
Both.
Q:
Which
form of the Diety do you address?
A:
The
One.
Q:
Do
you form emotional attachments easily.
A:
I
would have to say generally no.
Q:
Do
you dislike emotional displays in live persons, on the TV?
A:
No
- Do I like it? I don't like the display but I like the life in it - I like
the sign of life that it indicates.
Q:
How
does your skin react to the sun?
A:
I
tan very easily.
Q:
What
Colour?
A:
Brown
- roasty toasty brown.
Q:
Can
you work long hard hours if necessary?
A:
Absolutely.
Q:
And
take stress and stimuli coming from different directions?
A:
Yes.
Q:
And
of course, weather permitting, you are an outdoorsy person – you like being
out.....
A:
Oh,
yes.
Q:
Do
you dress for a purpose - functional - comfort - aesthetics?
A:
Comfort
first - aesthetics second.
Q:
Do
you operate on the principle of brinksmanship, an eleventh hour person? - I
have some friends in the audience who say "Thank God for the last minute
because if it weren't for the last minute nothing would ever get done!"
Are you one such?
A:
I
prefer not to - but thank God for the last minute.
Q:
Do
you have a high energy level?
A:
Oh,
yeah!
Q:
Do
you find there are ample opportunities for you to express the energy you have
or is there some frustration or limitation there?
A:
Most
of the time I can express it.
Q:
Are
you someone who sits down to dinner - a nice dinner - not just a hamburger in
front of the TV?
A:
I
do both but I most definitely enjoy the nice dinner.
Q:
In
your daily life, do you strive for elegance, the art of living? Not
necessarily spending a lot of money, but quality?
A:
Oh
Yes, that's very important.
Q:
Do
people confide in you?
A:
Yes,
they do.
Q:
Do
you avoid the limelight, preferring to work behind the scenes?
A:
It
varies. Depends what the work is.
Either one is fine.
Q:
Do
you work well in groups and committees?
A:
Yes.
Q:
Are
you a list maker? Someone who
makes lists of things to be done?
A:
When
I'm forced to do it, but that's not my natural way of working.
Q:
Are
you someone who has a place for everything and everything in its place?
A:
No.
Q:
Do
you like to plan your leisure time - your nights - weekends and get really
annoyed if plans get cancelled or changed?
A:
I think I would like to have it more set than more leisurely. Sometimes
I do get annoyed if plans get changed.
Q:
Are
you someone who tells the truth and lets the chips fall as they may?
A:
More
yes than no.
Q:
You
do then find there are times when tact and diplomacy don't cut it - when you
just have to use a little force?
A:
98%
Q:
Are
you uncomfortable if you don't have enough irons in the fire?
A:
No.
Q:
If
you could choose the life you were to live next and program the country, the
parentage, the education, the financial circumstances, do you have any idea
what you would want to do?
A:
I
think I would make it a professional country - I would bring in all the
professionals and get rid of the non-professionals (the people who get in the
way) - then I would have all these people in the fields who are the best, meet
together to create a professional country; world.
Q:
Define
professional for me?
A:
I
guess people who can use what they were given, at their highest level, and
create an aura of professionalism - just to spiral up what they have inside.
The quality of a person.
Q:
Not
related to any disciplines or vocations?
A:
No,
I think everyone has their own...
Q:
Have
you had a lifelong fantasy of working the land being in touch daily with
mother nature?
A:
I
have a little 6x6 garden which I love to work.
Q:
Would
you characterise your major contribution to life as that of being a mediator -
someone who can effect workable compromises?
A:
No.
Q:
Would
you say that your underlying purpose in life is to reconcile old ideas and
ways of doing things with the new ones?
A:
I
would like to say yes, but I don't think so.
Q:
Do
you feel that you are a stranger in a strange land - that there is a thin veil
separating you from others no matter how close to them you are?
A:
I
sometimes feel that to be true, but generally no.
Q:
Have
people commented on your staying power - your ability to hold on even if
you're thwarted again, again and again?
A:
I
think that's somewhat true.
Q:
Do
you find that your deepest satisfaction lies in helping lighten the burdens of
other people?
A:
Yes.
Q:
Is
the most important thing in your life to follow an inner vision?
A:
Yes.
Q:
Like
Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King?
A:
No.
I guess it's a group vision - not necessarily my individual vision.
(At
this point, members of the audience were invited to ask questions of
Casalino.)
Q:
What
about the time orientation - you tend to be past, present or future oriented?
A:
Right
now.
Q:
If
you had to name one word or phrase that sums up one the problems of the world
what would that be?
A:
Insensitivity.
Q:
And
the solution to the problem?
A:
Professionalism!
Q:
Would
you like to be well loved or well respected?
A:
Well-respected.
Q:
If
you had your `druthers', what job would you like to do?
A:
I'm
doing it.
Q:
What
are your fears or insecurities?
A:
I
have a lot of fears, but they never get in the way.
Q:
Can you tell us in just a few words how you think you think?
A:
I
think more intuitively, I don't think it's so much logic.
Q:
I
have a question about the questions - Do you ask the questions according to
the person?
J:
No - everybody gets the same laundry list.
Q:
The
reason why I ask is - there is one question that sticks out in my mind - the
one about the sun tan ... there are some persons who are fair skinned.....
J:
I didn't ask about sun tan; the question was - How does your skin react
to the sun?
Q:
What
is your pet peeve?
A:
Incompetence!
I feel very strongly about that, about the professional, the quality of work.
Oh yes, I really dislike incompetence.
Q:
If
you had your choice of being alone to do what you want to do or to be in a
room with strangers, what would your choice be?
A:
I
would be alone.
Q:
Do
you get angry when people express off the wall beliefs?
A:
I'm
thinking about this weekend - yes!
Q:
What
do you think is your greatest contribution you can make to the world or to
humanity?
A:
Probably
raise the quality of work that I am involved in.
Q:
When
you are in a crisis situation do you use your sense of humour or lose your
sense of humour?
A:
I've
been in quite a few and it's not been one or the other. I've done both.
(With
audience questions having been answered, Laws wrote on the chalkboard:
Physical, Astral, Mental, Personality, Soul.
She asked the group what ray Casalino's physical body was manifesting
on.)
Aud:
3
Aud:
I say 6
JL:
Any
other numbers?
Aud:
I'll just throw in 7
because of the reaction to sun.
Aud:
I want to say I have
found no basis for the sun light theory – so I discount that - I just want to let you know that. There is a certain energy that she has that is very forward
moving and aggressive
- it (inaudible). Three energy is more laid back in someway - just more laid
back and relaxed. Six is more out
there aggressive and moving fast. There is also a big fluctuation in energy -
real highs and then lows...depleted, exhausted, burned out, and then way back
up there, high again. It's very six, I think.
Aud:
We are talking about
the quality of the body (physical) and when you start talking about ups and
down and energy that may be coming through from some other level - well of
course it has to express through the etheric but it may not be the body itself
- it may be the effect of the personality - using the body in that manner.
Aud:
I think it has to be a ray three and I think its very important to take
into account that we are talking about the brain - the physical brain and just
to look at the body as it is sometimes may deceive us when we try to attempt
to ascertain the ray energy - knowing MaryAnn, I think she has a Ray three
body, and a lot of that has to do with the brain - as well as the body type
being a work horse when necessary and able to go long hours.
She's very powerful - a very strong body type.
JL:
I
would also say: you know she's a hugger, and the kind of muscular tone that
she has I don't find in sixth ray bodies. In sixth ray bodies, I find a softer
kind, a pudgy, watery kind of body. But
in third ray bodies, underneath the skin is a lot of muscle.
Aud:
I don't know her very well but she just strikes me as having a lot of
mental stability that I don't think sixth ray would necessarily have - I mean
in her thought processes. The
third ray is capable of dealing with a lot of stress and mental problems
without falling apart and she seems real stable.
JL:
Are
we ready to move on to the Astral body? We've
got the three with maybe seven, for a number of reasons.
One of them is in Telepathy and the Etheric Vehicle, page 137 where it
says the thyroid of Path people is governed by the seventh ray.
With ordinary humanity, the thyroid is governed by the third ray.
I'm finding what I call a `touch of seventh ray' in more and more third
ray physical bodies. Part of the
reason is because Aquarius is coming in.
As we move up and get into the etheric body it is ruled by the seventh
ray and the Devas of the shadows, so I am not surprised when I find what seems
to be blatant third ray physical body that does very nicely in the sun.
Roasty-toasty brown and there is a flowingness, no awkwardness.
I see that in Mary Ann and other predominately third ray physical
bodies.
JL:
On to the
astral body.
Aud:
(Many people say
"Six")
JL:
OK,
Mental body.
Aud:
1
-
4
-
5
JL:
Alright,
that's what the Tibetan says. It's
one of those.
Aud:
I thought four. I noticed that on every mental question she was evasive with
her answer. On the one about
school she said religion, and then finally, with more questioning, she came up
with well, maybe literature. I
made a note: not particularly
studious. Then you asked her: How
do you think. She said intuitive
and was really clear when you asked her a few more questions.
She wasn't a list maker. She
wasn't analytical. So I figured
it had to be four because it didn't seem like a two, by exclusion.
Aud:
She didn't seem to
have the quality of cutting right to the core of things that I associate with
the first ray mind. She looked for the copyright and the publication date
before she started the book.
I
think there is a tendency, when you have these rays of aspect, for them to
take precedence over the rays of attribute.
In a sense I feel she could have a fifth ray mind because she seems to
be polarised, more focused in rays two, four, six.
Consequently, rays of attribute don't show up as strongly.
I think her personality ray is four and astral body six, associated
with the soul ray (II). So I give her a two, four, six based upon my analysis of the
tendency to flow along one or the other line.
Major rays seem to flow, to assume dominance over the lesser vehicles.
JL:
Are you
saying that the mental ray is five?
Aud:
Yes.
JL:
Other points of view?
Aud:
All this stuff about professionals; maybe she threw in the words
expertise and exactitude also. It could be five in the mental body. Looking at the covers of
the book first and the copyright – very analytical - ray five is a
possibility.
Aud:
I would like to say something about this professionalism.
I think that has to do with reaching the top and doing a thing as well
as it can be done - I think it's climbing to the peak, the kind of
professionalism we are talking about, not so much expertise.
That's how I perceive that one.
JL:
That's
how I perceive it also - quality.
Aud:
I just wanted to add to that. The
soul usually manifests through one vehicle or another primarily - obviously it
goes through all of them. There
is usually a primary one and her's may not be mental - that may be a real soul
urge - that reaching for the top and it may also express it self in her
personality life - how she deals with people and what she expects from other
people; but it doesn't necessarily have to be mentally based.
Aud:
I have another comment. When
you asked her what she could contribute the most as her spiritual service, it
was again related to professionalism which would indicate a soul type of urge.
Again, it's related to her efficiency and professionalism quality.
JL:
As
distinct from a mental or even a personality focus.
Aud:
When you talk about
the mental ray, you are talking about the lower concrete mind because the
intuitive is also the mental.
Aud:
It doesn't matter. It matters and it doesn't matter.
You've asked her a number of questions -all of them having to do with
the concrete - she said "No. Intuitive.
" So she is saying where she
likes to function mentally and it's not analytical and its not in list
making and it's not in research and it's not in statistics or form.
That already tells you what her mind is not, so that gives you some
idea of what it is.
Aud:
Would you say she has a fifth ray mind because she is critical?
Aud:
Absolutely not.
All rays could be critical. First
ray is critical. Third ray is critical. Sixth
ray is emotional and critical. So
I don't think critical faculties have to do with fifth ray.
(The
group seemed to reach an impasse as to the mental ray, so Laws suggested that
they shift to the consideration of the personality ray.)
Aud:
I vote for six.
She has a strong drive toward perfection which she expresses in an
idealistic way. She doesn't have
an idealistic following of a person per se, but she has this idealistic drive
to reach professionalism and express quality which is her soul ray in the
world. And she does it in that kind of goal oriented way.
I didn't see evidence of seventh ray structure and organisation or any
more concrete thing like that.
Aud:
I see her orientation
towards professionalism as perhaps reflecting seventh ray or at least a
seventh sub ray because she thinks in terms of the right person or right
place. It could indicate somewhat of a bureaucratic
orientation. We need technical
skills here. I see it having a
certain seventh ray dimension.
Aud:
I feel there is some ray one in her personality.
She has a will and a drive that's coming through.
Aud:
I'd like to say too that Mary Ann is a hugger. There are certain
dimensions - I don't know if the dimensions showed up here particularly - but
there are certain dimensions of warmth,
sunnyness, intimacy, huggibility, nurturance - those kinds of things
which are equally as strong as the power things.
Aud:
I see Mary Ann as a
goal oriented person.
Aud:
I agree, I feel the
first ray is coming in as a personality expression.
Aud:
I don't see too much seventh ray.
I appreciate what's being said by Steven though, in terms of wanting
the right person at the right place at the right time.
But I wouldn't put it in those words for Mary Ann.
I would say you need an authoritative person who knows how to direct -
a first ray approach. I'm not
sure but I think perhaps this discussion is almost leading into
Soul/Personality combination that one/two - two/one and how that works out.
I see it more as a second ray personality.
Aud:
Think about the book.
She focused on the form of the book, on the date,
the publication date. That
could be interpreted as a seventh ray sense - the ideas of dates and time.
There is something seventh ray about that.
It seems significant because its very unusual to think of the date
first.
JL:
She's been in publishing a lot of years.
Aud:
Not based on any questions but just having experienced Mary Ann I can
recall sitting there and she told me to move!
There was a certain forcefulness there that I must interpret as first
ray.
Aud:
It seems to me that
one of the qualities of the first ray would be to control or govern thought
and feeling. If it's in the personality you would see a lot of evidence of it
where she would be regulating with her personality her thought and feeling.
But it doesn't seem that's what she does.
It seems to me that there is a strong will quality there, but it
doesn't seem the proper place to put it is in the personality.
It must be coming through someplace else.
JL:
But I think she does a good job of governing her own house. I don't
mean control or repression. I
think she is well disciplined and controlled as a personality and the way she
goes about her life.
Aud:
Nobody has thrown in the ray four for the personality.
Did you hear what she said in terms to sitting down to dinner with
beauty and harmony?
Aud:
I'm referring to the comment about Mary Ann asking you to move. I agree
the ray one is very forceful in giving orders and not caring about the person.
I agree with you that Mary Ann does give orders but she always gives
them thinking about the person - she's considerate about the way she tells
them to do something. So I get
the underlying feeling that she's not so much telling you and forcing you;
she's asking you and because she's such a powerful person you do it.
Aud:
I feel some ray one is present though I don't know where it would be.
She said earlier that she likes being alone rather than in some
unfamiliar group setting. As a
ray four personality myself, I don't see her as ray four unless the astral six
is very powerful. I don't think
it is to overshadow that, to really block it out, if she is a four.
I just don't pick up a four.
Aud:
I get the sense that the first ray power comes through the sixth ray
because all this force is veiled by consideration
for other people's feelings and for the astral and sentient nature of others
Aud:
Nobody wants to go along with my sixth ray hypothesis, but I would ike
to remind people that there is a close resemblance between the first ray and
the sixth ray in some cases. The
goal pointedness and purpose often resemble the first ray and I don't see the
destructive quality in her. I
might be wrong in that....
Aud:
We could be seeing the positive side of the ray one personality. Also
we could be seeing a change in the personality.
I feel there is definitely ray two in the soul coming through -
expressed in the personality through a one, perhaps changing a ray.....
Aud:
I think she's a ray two personality because she has a very inclusive
quality. When she was talking,
she was talking about some criticality issues.
When she comes across to me it's always been in a very inclusive
manner. I've heard her at
meetings and watched her make sure everyone is included, making sure and
trying to reduce criticality and being very inclusive in general.
Aud:
Let me ask the question: What
is Mary Ann's function within the Seven Ray Institute?
She's found a calling. What
is her function here? Is Mary Ann
the Scholar? Is Mary Ann the
Therapist? Is Mary Ann all those
things on an inner level? Of
those people in the Seven Ray Institute, what does Mary Ann do?
Aud:
There is that two/one quality, I think the two is with the soul, the
sense of inclusiveness, but her way of doing it is forceful.
It's straightforward. It's
very organised. She's not flaky
at all.
Aud:
Mary Ann's personality is ray one because she gets things done - quick
decisions, takes action. That didn't work out, forget it; We'll try something else.
I think it's ray one.
JL:
When you give her a job, you know it's going to be done in the shortest
space of time and effectively.
Aud:
If your personality is aligned with your soul, then it's going to bring
it down -- soul-infused personality.
JL:
Hands up: How many vote for a ray one personality? (Many hands go up)
Ray two personality? (Few hands raised)
Aud:
Simply put, is she the director or the teacher?
She's certainly the director in my opinion.
JL:
I think the directing is done on this level, in this world -- form.
Inwardly she's "Mama Casalino".
Aud:
One other question. To
which word of power (and words of power are pretty deep things) do you
respond: I assert the fact or I see the greatest light.
MAC:
I've done this before and I definitly resonate to: I assert the fact.
Aud:
I think she's a second ray soul and a first ray personality.
The reason why I think that is the type of group affiliation she has -
the type of group expression she's involved in and the fact that when the soul
begins to influence the personality, it does determine the type of work you
are involved in and affiliated with.
(At
this point, Laws went to the chalk board, and the group achieved a certain
degree of consensus on MAC's rays, as follows:
Soul
- Ray Two
Personality
- Ray Six/One
Mental
- Ray Four
Astral
- Ray Six
Physical
- Ray Three